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May 20, 2018, 05:52:54 PM

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Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« on: May 20, 2018, 05:52:54 PM »
I’ve been thinking again about the new factions the team had planned, and my mind turned to the Ssi Ruuk.

Fanatical techno life force stealing vampiric-slavers. What’s not to love?

Of course: a) new factions take up a lot of work, especially ones with completely new units.

b) Modelling a vampiric slaver dinosaur is hard.

So… issue a) is the reason Ssi Ruuk cannot happen. That is understandable given the massive work the team have done already. Let us not get greedy when we already have so much!

Nonetheless, as an intellectual exercise, I wondered how a Ssi Ruuk faction could be made distinctive and playable whilst adhering to canon.

The first thing that comes to mind is that they are supposed to be terrified of dying on unconsecrated ground. Thus, their infantry might be droids… and maybe a small ground-hovering version of their battle droids.

If the Ssi Ruuk were a minor faction, maybe they could be a idiosyncratic type faction. What if their fear of unconsecrated ground meant that their tanks, artilliery, etc were mostly airborne? Think of the gargantua/v-wing/t-47. Basically taking that a bit further. Anti-tank aircraft, anti-infantry aircraft, long-range rocket aircraft, etc.

They’d have to be very poorly armoured (and sometimes slow) for balance, but would that make for an interesting/ different faction?

For space, their navy could perhaps be made distinctive by being the fastest of the factions. Even their capitals could be reasonably fast, if weaker than the other factions’ equivalent ships.

Again, this is just an intellectual exercise, it will not go anywhere.

May 21, 2018, 12:09:06 AMReply #1

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2018, 12:09:06 AM »
Well the Ssi-Ruuvj are difficult to implement into ICW more for the ground units than for anything in space, as they should be receiving a full roster in Ascendancy when they become their own faction. Their ships tended to be carrier styled with a lot of ion cannons as they wanted their prey alive.
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May 21, 2018, 09:49:10 AMReply #2

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »
Well the Ssi-Ruuvj are difficult to implement into ICW more for the ground units than for anything in space, as they should be receiving a full roster in Ascendancy when they become their own faction. Their ships tended to be carrier styled with a lot of ion cannons as they wanted their prey alive.

All the better to entech them...
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May 21, 2018, 12:52:12 PMReply #3

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2018, 12:52:12 PM »
Well the Ssi-Ruuvj are difficult to implement into ICW more for the ground units than for anything in space, as they should be receiving a full roster in Ascendancy when they become their own faction. Their ships tended to be carrier styled with a lot of ion cannons as they wanted their prey alive.

Absolutely- that's why I thought air units only would be a good bet, with their minimal animations (other than death clones).

The carrier style fleet is a good idea, but I'm trying to find a way to make them different from the NR and PA, thus the high speed idea. Maybe fast-but-weak carriers with ion cannon focus. That should make them different enough, I hope.

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2018, 04:20:16 PM »
They could be interesting as a snowballing faction. Starting small but with entechment being able to mass drone fighters and droids quickly and eliminating civilian population with entechment facilities.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 08:26:17 PM »
They could be interesting as a snowballing faction. Starting small but with entechment being able to mass drone fighters and droids quickly and eliminating civilian population with entechment facilities.

Oh I like that. Make Entenchment Facilities (or maybe Entenchment Temples?) like a combination Tax Agency/Prison building. They give you credits on whatever planet they’re built on, but if they’re on a planet with a native population they provide more credits, Fleet supply, and a larger garrison force on the ground.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 09:52:05 PM »
Oh I like that. Make Entenchment Facilities (or maybe Entenchment Temples?) like a combination Tax Agency/Prison building. They give you credits on whatever planet they’re built on, but if they’re on a planet with a native population they provide more credits, Fleet supply, and a larger garrison force on the ground.

That could be frighteningly effective.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 11:23:52 PM »
Absolutely- that's why I thought air units only would be a good bet, with their minimal animations (other than death clones).

The carrier style fleet is a good idea, but I'm trying to find a way to make them different from the NR and PA, thus the high speed idea. Maybe fast-but-weak carriers with ion cannon focus. That should make them different enough, I hope.

Also I don’t think they’re ever mentioned as having bombers. Perhaps make them only have fighters, but tonnes thereof.
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May 22, 2018, 09:04:25 AMReply #8

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 09:04:25 AM »
Yay, cute space dinos! ;D
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 12:15:30 PM »
Yay, cute space dinos! ;D

Don't you mean....(Robert Muldoon voice) "Clever girl..."
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »
As far as special abilities you could give them ion blasts and a leech like the Kedalbe has in vanilla.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 03:51:58 PM »
Maybe tractor beams as a natural weapon that targets appropriate ships without needing a special ability button?

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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 07:01:32 AM »
Don't you mean....(Robert Muldoon voice) "Clever girl..."

"They only entech vegetables, but for you, I think they'd make an exception."
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 08:57:17 AM »
Don't you mean....(Robert Muldoon voice) "Clever girl..."

"They only entech vegetables, but for you, I think they'd make an exception."
Am I too young to understand what this is?
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2018, 08:58:40 AM »
"They only entech vegetables, but for you, I think they'd make an exception."
Author creates Ssi Ruuvi
Author destroys Ssi Ruuvi
Author creates fans
Fans destroy author
Fans create Ssi Ruuvi
Ssi Ruuvi...eat fans...trekkies inherit the Earth
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 09:01:38 AM »
Am I too young to understand what this is?

If you don't remember An Adventure 65 Million Years in the Making then you are, but with the magic of internet and DVD you can experience it.

Go watch Jurassic Park...NOW
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 10:14:19 AM »
Author creates Ssi Ruuvi
Author destroys Ssi Ruuvi
Author creates fans
Fans destroy author
Fans create Ssi Ruuvi
Ssi Ruuvi...eat fans...trekkies inherit the Earth

Haha, I wanted to go for that one, but couldn't adapt it quite as hilariously as you did. Well done, lol.  ;D As a semi-trekkie myself I don't mind such outcome.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2018, 12:53:32 PM »
If you don't remember An Adventure 65 Million Years in the Making then you are, but with the magic of internet and DVD you can experience it.

Go watch Jurassic Park...NOW
Ohhhhh, now i feel kinda stupid. the sad thing is i own almost every jurassic park movie :(
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2018, 01:47:49 PM »
Author creates Ssi Ruuvi
Author destroys Ssi Ruuvi
Author creates fans
Fans destroy author
Fans create Ssi Ruuvi
Ssi Ruuvi...eat fans...trekkies inherit the Earth

This is fantastic. Xizer, you exceed all expectations once again.

But now as to the faction itself, I was looking at the ships stats and they definitely are generally underpowered. Their Shree has fewer Turbolasers than the MC80 Liberty, and that we supposed to be their flagship battlecruiser.
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Re: Thought regarding the Ssi Ruuk.
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2018, 02:03:20 PM »
The Shree was mostly a carrier.  500 battle droids.
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