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July 24, 2016, 05:17:10 PMReply #1120

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« Reply #1120 on: July 24, 2016, 05:17:10 PM »
I don't care for star trek in general personally.

July 24, 2016, 07:02:35 PMReply #1121

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« Reply #1121 on: July 24, 2016, 07:02:35 PM »
I feel exactly the same.
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July 24, 2016, 08:08:44 PMReply #1122

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« Reply #1122 on: July 24, 2016, 08:08:44 PM »
*shrug* Nothing is for everyone.  DS9 is a bit different from the other Treks in that it was heavily serialized, wasn't as optimistic, and had a much greater emphasis on politics and character development over technobabble and imparting lessons (though both remain present).  It also has arguably some of the best space battles since RotJ. ;)

July 25, 2016, 12:28:03 AMReply #1123

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« Reply #1123 on: July 25, 2016, 12:28:03 AM »
I'm firmly in the "ugly" camp.  The saucer section looks nice, but that secondary hull is some fugly garbage.
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July 25, 2016, 02:09:03 AMReply #1124

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« Reply #1124 on: July 25, 2016, 02:09:03 AM »
I don't care about Star Trek either. Not even a little bit.
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July 25, 2016, 03:18:40 AMReply #1125

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« Reply #1125 on: July 25, 2016, 03:18:40 AM »
Your loss. ;)

July 25, 2016, 03:51:08 AMReply #1126

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« Reply #1126 on: July 25, 2016, 03:51:08 AM »
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh.

Edit: All right, I'll explain.  It is from an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called "Darmok" where the crew encounters a species that communicates by metaphor, by alluding to characters and stories.  "Shaka, when the walls fell" means a failure to do something, "Darmok and Jelad at Tanagra" is two people coming together over a common struggle, "Temba, his arms open" is offering a gift, "The river Temarc in winter" is telling someone to stop what they're doing, and "Kadir beneath Mo Moteh" is a failure to communicate.

This episode was the single most infuriatingly nonsensical episode of television I've ever seen.

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July 25, 2016, 06:05:20 AMReply #1127

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« Reply #1127 on: July 25, 2016, 06:05:20 AM »
You haven't watched enough television then. ;) I grant that the Tamarian language doesn't really hold up to scrutiny, but that's about the only real flaw in the episode - if you can suspend disbelief and take the language as presented, I think the episode works beautifully as a story of two cultures, through two people, coming to an understanding around a language barrier.  Since Star Trek has the universal translator, the Tamarians simply speaking a different language wouldn't be a problem - they'd need to have an entirely different way of speaking, and if the writers' way of coming up with one isn't perfect but still serves its function in the story, I'll knock a point off the final score but it doesn't tank the episode for me as a whole.

Also, a number of the posts presented in your link are arguing that it really isn't all that out-there a concept. ;)
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July 29, 2016, 12:11:22 AMReply #1128

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« Reply #1128 on: July 29, 2016, 12:11:22 AM »
I win

July 29, 2016, 12:50:32 AMReply #1129

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« Reply #1129 on: July 29, 2016, 12:50:32 AM »
You haven't watched enough television then. ;) I grant that the Tamarian language doesn't really hold up to scrutiny, but that's about the only real flaw in the episode - if you can suspend disbelief and take the language as presented, I think the episode works beautifully as a story of two cultures, through two people, coming to an understanding around a language barrier.  Since Star Trek has the universal translator, the Tamarians simply speaking a different language wouldn't be a problem - they'd need to have an entirely different way of speaking, and if the writers' way of coming up with one isn't perfect but still serves its function in the story, I'll knock a point off the final score but it doesn't tank the episode for me as a whole.

Also, a number of the posts presented in your link are arguing that it really isn't all that out-there a concept. ;)

Some of the posts are arguing that, but they're wrong. I was specifically referring to the one top post there. Unless the words in the metaphors mean something literally, they can't actually refer to anything.
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July 29, 2016, 06:03:18 AMReply #1130

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« Reply #1130 on: July 29, 2016, 06:03:18 AM »
57 pages of this. Wow. That is rather impressive...
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July 29, 2016, 06:29:50 AMReply #1131

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« Reply #1131 on: July 29, 2016, 06:29:50 AM »
To be fair, that's after 7 years.
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July 29, 2016, 10:40:21 AMReply #1132

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« Reply #1132 on: July 29, 2016, 10:40:21 AM »
To be fair, that's after 7 years.
That this post is still a thing after seven years is both impressive and depressive
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July 29, 2016, 02:07:56 PMReply #1133

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« Reply #1133 on: July 29, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »
To be fair, that's after 7 years.
7 years and still no winner except for me obviously.
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July 29, 2016, 02:21:05 PMReply #1134

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« Reply #1134 on: July 29, 2016, 02:21:05 PM »
That this post is still a thing after seven years is both impressive and depressive

I agree with this 100%
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July 29, 2016, 04:43:55 PMReply #1135

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« Reply #1135 on: July 29, 2016, 04:43:55 PM »
Some of the posts are arguing that, but they're wrong. I was specifically referring to the one top post there. Unless the words in the metaphors mean something literally, they can't actually refer to anything.

I tend to agree, though I do enjoy the various attempts made to make it make sense.

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The Tamarian language is explored further in the short story "Friends with the Sparrows" from the TNG anthology The Sky's the Limit. In the story, it is explained that Tamarians have a fundamentally different brain structure to most humanoids, and as such experience concepts such as time and self differently.

The story explains that Tamarian children learn the stories behind the metaphors, and thus their meanings, through enactment and repetition. Variations of meaning in metaphors were conveyed through subtle vocal and gestural cues that the universal translator had previously missed. In fields such as engineering and programming, a musical language was used to convey precise equations, numbers and instructions; thus explaining how Tamarians could effectively operate starships.

I particularly like this one - essentially, it's arguing that you're right, they don't really use metaphors, but instead "Shaka, when the walls fell" and the like will have a number of possible literal meanings, and which one is determined via context, body language and tone/pitch/etc.


August 03, 2016, 10:37:54 AMReply #1136

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« Reply #1136 on: August 03, 2016, 10:37:54 AM »
Well trying not to let this thread die (and staying somewhat on theme), went and saw Star Trek Beyond yesterday. It was so much better than Into Dumbness; actually felt like Star Trek instead of generic Sci-fi.
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August 03, 2016, 11:33:09 AMReply #1137

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« Reply #1137 on: August 03, 2016, 11:33:09 AM »
staying with the theme of movies, I saw the secret life of pets yesterday, it was really funny.

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« Reply #1138 on: August 03, 2016, 01:29:44 PM »
staying with the theme of movies, I saw the secret life of pets yesterday, it was really funny.

I heard it was good. Probably going to see it once it goes to Redbox
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August 03, 2016, 02:08:55 PMReply #1139

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« Reply #1139 on: August 03, 2016, 02:08:55 PM »
If I may, Rvanchist, what kind of ship is on your signature?

 

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