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Awesome stuff. Well worth the wait. Great job as always, guys!
Anyone else feel like the New Republic is hilariously outgunned, though? Their fighters are their strength of course, I just felt like Allegiances with Corvette/IPV backup will just beat 10x their weight in Mon Cal cruisers. The Home One types look fantastic, but aside from the nice fighter contingent, they're practically outgunned by a Dreadnought.
There's Wingless MC80s?
And what's a "Hyper V-Wing structure?"
How many fighters do those unique Maldrood ships have? I can't remember the name of the ship right now but it's the bigger than normal looking Star Destroyer smaller than a Praetor, that spawns v-9 torrents amongst other things iirc. When I lost Hapes I had a lone Corvette doing donuts around the map while my surviving Hapen fighters were scoring kills and those ships never ever ran out of fighters.
EDIT: Raptor fighters seem really strong (which is intentional I assume). But for everyone's amusement, 1 raptor squadron can solo two tie fighter and two v-9 torrent squads handily. Or maybe it's just that basic ties and torrents are bad?
EDIT: Maldrood barracks spawn two Pentastar Enforcers on the ground and that's it. Seems weak, and presumably unintentional.
EDIT: NR grenadiers being able to throw bombs on stormies is pretty ridiculous and nearly impossible to counter unless I happen to see which guy the bomb landed on. Kind of tired to losing entire squads of stormies to random bombs. It doesn't help that the grenadier unit themselves don't have a unique model compared to normal infantry.
Sorry that my posts keep turning into walls of text.
Got some more NR play time in and took somewhat of a microscope on ship usefulness, a lot of them are really quite junk.
Corellian Gunship: Possibly the worst unit in the game? I sent one off to fight a lone tie interceptor and it could barely tickle the thing. I sent one off to fight a raptor squadron and the gunship literally got wrecked. It seems to have two weapons, a 4 shot volley of some type of laser (dual laser cannon?) and a 2 shot volley of concussion missile. The lasers have horrible accuracy against fighters unlike the standard Corellian Corvette and the missile "volley" is too small and too infrequent to be a primary means of damage. It can't fight fighters and it can't fight anything else so why would I build these?
Marauder Cruiser: I didn't actually microtest this one. But it seems to have single turbolaser volley that is decently long. Easily weaker than Carracks or Arquitens though as far as pop 1 units go.
Nebulon B: It has two lasers and two turbolasers that each fire 3 round volleys. The lasers are capable of picking off fighters albeit not at all impressively. The turbolasers are irrelevant honestly. It was unable to outdamage a quasar's passive shield regen. It does come with an X-Wing and Y Wing though I guess I treat this as an inferior quasar (assuming 3 pop quasar and not the current broken 0 pop quasar).
Assault Frigate: The description claims that it has more guns than a Dreadnought but that is certainly not the case. The two quad lasers it has have awful accuracy against fighters and don't seem worth much against anything else. The two normal lasers are capable of snagging a fighter here and there. The two turbolasers it has have pretty meh output. It was barely able to outpace a quasar's passive regen. It does have two X-Wings though, definitely better than a Nebulon B for about the same price and pop.
Nebulon B-2: A better ship than the others above but it has no fighters and is clearly still worse than a dreadnaught (which has fighters). The few lasers on this ship can snag a few fighters but that small amount of versatility doesn't make it worth it. Sadly I couldn't get a clean test vs. the quasar like with the others. Power to shields is good here.
My main issue with the above ships is that they are all vastly inferior to a Dreadnought which has similar cost and also 2 pop and also has two X-Wings.
Mc40: My only problem with this ship is that it costs 3 pop. It's not very strong, the concussion missiles shoot 1 missile each so they are basically just decoy hard points. The ship is quite fragile and can't do much to unshielded targets since it loses half of its guns against them. The pocketed B Wing is the saving grace of this ship, but 3 pop is far too costly for it.
Dauntless: Haven't been able to single out a fight with one of these guys yet, however it does say that it's supposed to come with fighters, and it doesn't. Not sure if bug for the ship or typo in the description.
Mc80 (Not Home One Type): Is there any reason to build these except that they are cheaper than the home One Type? Is there any reason to build an Mc80 instead of an Mc80b?
I'm sorry if this comes across as overly nitpicky. I know you guys base the armaments of these ships on canon and I don't expect every ship to be perfectly balanced. I would just prefer if the ships were useable. The gunship is currently useless. The Marauder is probably fine since it's pop 1 anyway. The Nebulon B gives some fighters so it's usable but still outclassed. The B-2 isn't horrible but it is still mediocre and has no fighters to save it. The Assault Frigate could be useful if it's quad lasers were accurate at clearing fighters cause at least then it could be treated as an anti-fighter frigate that can also do some damage against other things. Mc40 would have a use at 2 pop.
Right now in this tech level, I see little reason to use anything other than CR90 Corvettes, Mc80 Home One, Dreadnoughts, Quasars (if I didn't self ban them), and maybe Dauntless. I know that there will always be optimal fleets and it will probably always be corvettes + Capitals/Carriers but as someone who likes fleet diversity I would love to see more ships be more useful.
Which is why they made Assault Frigate. Cutdown Dreadnought Hull :P
Yes, but in the game the Assault Frigate is considerably less armed than the Dreadnought.It depend on WHICH version of Dreadnought they converted Assault Frigate from; It seem like it was Original Dreadnought/Katana Type. Like Corey pointed out there's a good bit of contradictions. The dreadnought in game seems to present the 'Imperial Refit' as detailed in her wookiepedia entry.
Yes, but in the game the Assault Frigate is considerably less armed than the Dreadnought.I had the time to go over the Assault Frigate Mk 1 wookiepedia entry. The refit from Dreadnought was focused on removing much of the outer structure, adding in droids and automation system. The modifications also increased the shield strength to compensate for some loss of durability by the outer structure modification. Her speed was improved and she retained the original weapon systems. The entry also indicated she carried more weapon emplacements (turbolasers) but that the additional demands on the main power system reduced their range and fire rate. That's what the fluff has to say about the ship.
Some notes about the demo:
Any way to decrease the credit income of a planet immediately after capturing it? After I capture a planet, I see the planetary income go from 0 to "X" value pretty quickly. Any way to slow that down to reflect the income disruption from a change of government? Maybe to 10 credits increase per week until it maxes out? E.g. if planet X has a max credit income of 100 per week, it would take 10 weeks for the new controlling faction to reach the maximum planetary income from that planet.
For blockades, I suggest reducing the incomes of both factions involved. (the faction doing the blockading should have the pay to support their fleet in orbit, the faction under blockade loses income from that planet)
Any way to bring back MDU's from the original game?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Defense_Unit
Any way to bring back the admiral unit from the original game? I understand that the AI tends to overproduce them en masse, but I'm hoping that that issue has been resolved (?)
On a related note, I applaud the team's decision to include a commander in the infantry unit, to act as the ground commander from the original game.
For EoTH, having Nirauan allows them intelligence bonuses, and the ability to see enemy movement around the galaxy. Is there any way to give that ability to the Imperial Remnant? After all, their intelligence operations were feared through the galaxy and arguably just as competent as EoTH. I propose a building that can only be built on Coruscant, the Imperial Security Bureau (ISB), that is a one-time building with a high cost, and grants similar spying properties as EoTH holding Nirauan.
Lastly, on the galactic map, when there's a battle, there are only 2 options: Fight the battle in person, or autoresolve. Is there a way to insert a 3rd option of "retreat". A lot of times, an enemy force invades that I can't hold off, so basically, I just end up loading the battle, then retreating immediately when the retreat option opens up. This is sorta a waste of time, and I wish there's a way to just engage the retreat option from the galactic map directly, so that I don't have to load a battle map, et cetera.
Green edits added by me -DarthRevansRevenge
Some notes about the demo:
(1)Any way to decrease the credit income of a planet immediately after capturing it? After I capture a planet, I see the planetary income go from 0 to "X" value pretty quickly. Any way to slow that down to reflect the income disruption from a change of government? Maybe to 10 credits increase per week until it maxes out? E.g. if planet X has a max credit income of 100 per week, it would take 10 weeks for the new controlling faction to reach the maximum planetary income from that planet.
(2)For blockades, I suggest reducing the incomes of both factions involved. (the faction doing the blockading should have the pay to support their fleet in orbit, the faction under blockade loses income from that planet)
(3)Any way to bring back MDU's from the original game?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Defense_Unit
(4)Any way to bring back the admiral unit from the original game? I understand that the AI tends to overproduce them en masse, but I'm hoping that that issue has been resolved (?)
On a related note, I applaud the team's decision to include a commander in the infantry unit, to act as the ground commander from the original game.
(5)For EoTH, having Nirauan allows them intelligence bonuses, and the ability to see enemy movement around the galaxy. Is there any way to give that ability to the Imperial Remnant? After all, their intelligence operations were feared through the galaxy and arguably just as competent as EoTH. I propose a building that can only be built on Coruscant, the Imperial Security Bureau (ISB), that is a one-time building with a high cost, and grants similar spying properties as EoTH holding Nirauan.
(6)Lastly, on the galactic map, when there's a battle, there are only 2 options: Fight the battle in person, or autoresolve. Is there a way to insert a 3rd option of "retreat". A lot of times, an enemy force invades that I can't hold off, so basically, I just end up loading the battle, then retreating immediately when the retreat option opens up. This is sorta a waste of time, and I wish there's a way to just engage the retreat option from the galactic map directly, so that I don't have to load a battle map, et cetera.
p.s. how do you get links to work?
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Played a bit more NR.Bear in mind that Nublon B/B2 (B2 has concussion missile also) and Assault Frigate has some laser cannons included in their weaponry. This will have an effect on the Marauder's X-Wing squadrons. Yeah, Assault frigate has a lot of laser cannons. Also, note that Assault Frigate is a heavy class while Nebulon B/B2 and Marauder are light class.
Ackbar's concentrate fire might be too strong. I'm not sure how it's coded to work (+ damage for anything against target?), all I know is that things seem to melt under it, and not just because the fleet is shooting at one target, this is different then just control-A right clicking on something.
I want to redact my criticism of the Marauder. I didn't realize that they come with an X-Wing squad and their turbolaser volley is probably around 16 or 20 (too lazy to check the manual). For a pop 1 unit this is decent enough. This is probably the best thing (Except CR90) you can get in a level 1 station.
For two population you could get two Marauders and two x-wings which I'd wager could outgun any of the following:
-Nebulon B + x-wing and y wing (2 pop)
-Nebulon B2 (2 pop)
-Assault Frigate + 2 x-wings (2 pop) - I have to admit though that micromanaging your frigate to do donuts around the Marauders could maybe swing this around.
-Mc40 + b-wing (3 pop)
Someone above did mention though that the green turbolasers do more damage than the red, and the Marauder has the green so that might be skewing things in its favor.
Bear in mind that Nublon B/B2 (B2 has concussion missile also) and Assault Frigate has some laser cannons included in their weaponry. This will have an effect on the Marauder's X-Wing squadrons. Yeah, Assault frigate has a lot of laser cannons. Also, note that Assault Frigate is a heavy class while Nebulon B/B2 and Marauder are light class.
2.1 stats
Marauder has 24 (pulses)/1 (hardpoint) for her only weaponry. Multiply by 2. (48 "pulses")
Nebulon B; 12/2 turbolaser, 12/2 laser cannons
Nebulon B2: 12/2 Turbolaser, 3/1 Dual Heavy Turbolaser, 12/2 Laser Cannon, 1/1 Concussion Missile
Assault Frigate: 16/2 Turbolaser, 16/2 Laser Cannon, 20/2 Quad Laser Cannon
Thanks for pulling up those numbers, so the two Marauders have effectively 48 turbolaser pulses while the other ships have 24, 24 + 3H + 1 missile, and 32. Considering how turbolasers are your bread a butter damage and laser cannons are junk against non-fighter, the two Marauders effectively have more firepower.I think it simply mean that heavy frigate is more tougher (more shield, hull) than the light frigate?
I know these ships have some laser cannons but I did some micro testing and they take quite a long time to take out a fighter squadron. They definitely due damage and will score some kills, but it won't chew through things like the corvettes do. The Marauders X-Wings should live long enough to trade out through most of the opposing frigate's fighters. Even the Assault frigate isn't that good against fighters because for whatever reason the accuracy on the Quad lasers are as unreliable as turbolasers against fighters, making them fairly useless. Send some of these ships against an undefended level 1 station if you can find one and see how long it takes for them to kill Tie fighters/bombers.
What's the significance of being classified as light or heavy? Does it affect damage values?
What's the significance of being classified as light or heavy? Does it affect damage values?In the mod Heavy/Light really just determines which level shipyard the craft is built from (i.e. Light Frigate Shipyard, Heavy Frigate Shipyard).
In the mod Heavy/Light really just determines which level shipyard the craft is built from (i.e. Light Frigate Shipyard, Heavy Frigate Shipyard).
I'm pretty sure what he means is does a laser itself being light or heavy affect damage values.Please look carefully at the context. There is no "Light" laser cannon or turbolaser. He was responding to my statement which referred to a Light or Heavy Frigate.
I'm pretty sure what he means is does a laser itself being light or heavy affect damage values.