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Title: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Corey on September 03, 2016, 05:07:26 AM
One of the most common requests related to the Pentastar Alignment has always been for more heroes, since they were limited to four in previous releases. Because of how little attention the Alignment gets in lore, this isn't always easy, however we've managed to flesh out the hero roster in ways we think most people should be happy with, including some changes to the existing ones which should free us up in some other ways. So, here's a quick look at who you'll be playing with in 2.2, starting with the three unchanged ones.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/FactionhighlightPA_zpscbgvqwpd.png)

(http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Kaine_zpsxnhi7p1f.png)Grand Moff Ardus Kaine -  Space: Executor-class Star Destroyer, Reaper
Kaine, the leader and founder of the Pentastar Alignment, will be essentially unchanged from previous versions. He'll still be a big source of early power for the Alignment from the bridge of the Reaper, which will itself be making a few more appearances in the mod.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_BUTTON_GRANT_zpsxwrudkem.png)Grand Admiral Octavian Grant - Space: Imperial-class Star Destroyer Oriflamme
Octavian Grant has always been regarded as a brilliant tactician, although his lack of desire to play the political games required for success in the Empire left him without a significant following after the Battle of Endor. Rather than carve out his own warlord state as many of his Grand Admiral peers had tried, the pragmatic Grant sought refuge within Kaine's Pentastar Alignment while the other Grand Admirals were picked off by each other and the New Republic, despite having been marked for death by the other Grand Admirals. Grant would eventually defect to the New Republic, trading immunity for Imperial intel. He would seek to aid the New Republic in defeating Grand Admiral Thrawn, although he was declined the opportunity out of mistrust for his motives. In Operation Shadow Hand, however he played a key role in the New Republic's ambush of Grand Moff Kaine by feigning allegiance to his old colleague and luring him into a trap.

(http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_BUTTON_GREGOR_zpszwjp4vwo.png)Commerce Master Commissioner Gregor Raquoran - Galactic only
Raquoran rose to the position of master commissioner through years of proving himself to be a capable businessman, as well as demonstrating a significant level of political acumen within the Velcar Free Commerce Zone. After Endor, he believed the Velcar zone to be relatively safe, but after Kaine called for the Pentastar Talks in 7 ABY, he recognized the prudence of Velcar joining the Alignment. Ingame, he provides significant cost reduction bonuses.

(http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_BUTTON_JEREC_zpswncs6uxi.png)Zenithal InQuestor Jerec - Ground
Jerec was initially a Jedi Master who then became a feared Inquisitor within the New Order. After the Empire's collapse, he styled himself Warlord; however, he ultimately decided to align himself with Grand Moff Kaine's Pentastar Alignment, taking up the mantle of Great InQuestor of Judgment, the Alignment's version of Inquistitors. While he was still ostensibly serving the Alignment, Cronal, who was with the recovering Palpatine on Byss, reached out to secure Jerec's cooperation in the search for the Valley of the Jedi. Jerec will be remaining the same on the ground, however he will not automatically spawn with Vengeance.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_sysco_zpsrf2gcevn.png)Captain Sysco - Space: Vengeance-class Star destroyer Vengeance
Rather than keep Jerec as a free jedi hero with his own SSD from the start, Vengeance and Jerec have been separated, with the former being given as its own hero to Captain Sysco, the officer who commanded the ship under Jerec. Sysco and Vengance will not be spawned at the start of GCs; instead, he will need to be recruited into your fleet. This allows us to play some more with other areas of strength within the Alignment, since with two free SSDs, they could foetn be overbearing.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Halmere_zpsjvli7rhp.png)Great InQuestor Halmere - Ground
Halmere was one of the few surviving force-sensitives after the Clone Wars. He was chosen by Darth Vader for training, and worked his way up to the position of High Inquisitor by the Battle of Yavin. Like many other inquisitors, Halmere was recruited into the service of the Pentastar Alignment by Jerec. After Jerec's death at the hands of Kyle Katarn, Halmere took his place as the Zenithal InQuestor of Judgment.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_dekeet_zpsvnvwsikt.png)Governor Ib Dekeet - Galactic, Space: Praetor II-class Star Battlecruiser
Dekeet was an Imperial governor stationed in the outer rim. He was present at the Pentastar Talks, and ultimately signed on despite initial hesitance.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Besk_zpsybe1wha8.png)Elta Besk - Galactic, Space: Interdictor-class Star Destroyer Dynamic
Elta Besk came from a rich family and inherited the company Dynamic Automata from her father Metron. As head of DA, she was invited by Kaine to the Pentastar Talks along with the four other dignitaries and captains of industry. She agreed to join out of concern for possible slave revolts in her workforce if the New Republic were to get a foothold. On the Galactic map she provides a cost reduction to units with significant droid parts.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Otro_zpskq967lti.png)Wyrn Otro - Galactic, Space: Enforcer-class Picket Ship, Enforcer
Otro was invited to the Pentastar Talks as a representative for Galentro Heavy Works, which would join and produce the iconic Enforcer-class picket ship for the Alignment, along with various other types of arms. Jaemus Shipyards was a subsidiary of the company.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_BUTTON_SARISS_zpszhdxao9a.png)Sariss - Ground
Sariss was the daughter of Cronal, and served undercover as the "Prophetess" on Tatooine before the Battle of Endor, serving as a spy for the Secret Order of the Empire. After fleeing Tatooine, she became an apprentice of Jerec. She was also killed by Kyle Katarn in the search for the Valley of the Jedi.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Yun_zps0glyp5km.png)Yun - Ground
Yun was the son of a mineral baron. After becoming infatuated with Sariss, Yun joined her in the service of Jerec. Upon finding Kyle Katarn unconscious and defenseless after the Moldy Crow crashed, Sariss tried to kill him, however Yun deflected her attack which then killed Yun, who said he believed Kyle deserved the opportunity to defend himself.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Trelix_zps8m2mqhb6.png)Krassis Trelix - Space: Firespray-class Patrol and Attack Craft, Indenture (Can be recruited from Gabredor III)
Krassis Trelix is a slaver in the employ of the Karazak Slavers Corporation as a highly respected pilot. The KSC, although not strictly members of the Pentastar Alignment, would often be contracted by them when it was deemed necessary, as in one case when some of its members were tasked with the capture of the children of Cantras Gola's ambassador after they had discovered the planet's desire to secede and join the New Republic.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_Button_Reikas_zpskft62nfj.png)Rei'kas - Ground (Can be recruited from Gabredor III)
Rei'kas is a Rodian slaver working for the KSC as a strike team leader, a position he achieved due to extremely violent tenancies and determination. 


And that should do it for 2.2. Hopefully that should provide some more variety for Alignment players. We're also at a point where, in addition to articles, I'm going to start playing through some of the new content on my stream (http://www.hitbox.tv/coreyloses). For those interested, the first time for this will be Sunday September 4th (tomorrow) at 3pm EST. After the streams I'll also be putting them on my youtube channel, Corey Loses (https://www.youtube.com/c/Corey_Loses), for those who can't make it.

Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: mynameisyou on September 03, 2016, 08:35:16 PM


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/DArbiter/I_BUTTON_GRANT_zpsxwrudkem.png)Grand Admiral Octavian Grant - Space: Imperial-class Star Destroyer Oriflamme
In Operation Shadow Hand, however he played a key role in the New Republic's capture of Grand Moff Kaine by feigning allegiance to his old colleague and luring him into a trap.

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were did you get this info the wookipedia page says Ennix Devian was involved not grant and that he was killed not captured.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Corey on September 03, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Meant to say ambush, not capture, but that was Grant, not Devian. Devian's just some vague mention as possibly being involved. Grant was explicitly stated as the one who convinced Kaine to go:

Quote from: The Imperial Warlords: Despoilers of an Empire, Part I - http://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-1
Angered at being shoved aside during Thrawn’s campaign, Kaine then eagerly joined the resurrected Emperor for a chance to storm New Republic forces on Coruscant at last. Instead, though, he fell prey to an elaborate deception during the Operation Shadow Hand campaign. Believing the retired Grand Admiral Grant was returning to fight for the Pentastar Alignment, Kaine was lured into the open in his private shuttle. He died in pitched battle above Palanhi with New Republic E-wings, echoing the ambush that did in his malcontented father.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Pali on September 03, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
Yay, more heroes for the PA! :)
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: tlmiller on September 04, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
Sounds awesome.  Can't wait to see their new heroes.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Darth Red on September 04, 2016, 04:30:45 AM
I like it a lot!
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Labria on September 04, 2016, 05:03:34 AM
Great news! Pentastar will be more interesting with new heroes. No more two SSDs from start but Ib Dekeet with Praetor look like good compensation.  8=)
How many heroes will be available in skirmish?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Avarice1987 on September 04, 2016, 06:21:43 AM
I Miss a Preator Typ One in the Unit List. It is a Beauty Ship with the Black Hull :-).

Very Interesting Hero list. I'm Happy to Rule the Galaxy with the PA in the Future.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on September 04, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
I Miss a Preator Typ One in the Unit List. It is a Beauty Ship with the Black Hull :-).

Very Interesting Hero list. I'm Happy to Rule the Galaxy with the PA in the Future.
The problem is that the Praetor (MK1) does not have any visual appearance.
There isn't any picture, not even low-res showing it so there is nothing to start on. On top of it it has no armament or in fact any kind of stats other than it was 4000 meters long and was equiped with a hyperdrive.
This is the Praetor on the wookiepedia:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor-class_battlecruiser
The Praetor II on the other hand is much more detailed. It has a canon ("legends") appearance, it has detailed armament and stats to it.
just look at it:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor_Mark_II-class_battlecruiser
We prioritize the ships we bring in. If it has stats and a model, and fits into a role previously nothing filled then it's a good thing.
the Praetor MK 1 has none of these qualities.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Avarice1987 on September 04, 2016, 10:10:28 AM
The problem is that the Praetor (MK1) does not have any visual appearance.
There isn't any picture, not even low-res showing it so there is nothing to start on. On top of it it has no armament or in fact any kind of stats other than it was 4000 meters long and was equiped with a hyperdrive.
This is the Praetor on the wookiepedia:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor-class_battlecruiser
The Praetor II on the other hand is much more detailed. It has a canon ("legends") appearance, it has detailed armament and stats to it.
just look at it:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor_Mark_II-class_battlecruiser
We prioritize the ships we bring in. If it has stats and a model, and fits into a role previously nothing filled then it's a good thing.
the Praetor MK 1 has none of these qualities.

But here we can see an Class One Praetor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_xRyfwo4O8

The Ship is in the Most of Big Mods ( Strategic Improvment, Alliance, AOTR, SAU 3.3 ) but no info about it or Pics from the ship in the SW Sites?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on September 04, 2016, 11:35:14 AM
That design is 100% fanon as far as I am aware.

As to the news article, definitely looking forward to the new heroes. Also very glad that the Jerec autoresolve issue is addressed by splitting him up (while simultaneously reducing the early-game power of the PA, something that definitely needed a balance pass ass well).
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: tlmiller on September 04, 2016, 12:22:54 PM
Also, canonically, the Praetor-I only had short range hyperspace engines.  So while no doubt some were refit with better hyperspace engines, it wouldn't make sense to have a ship that was only produced in limited numbers, and DIDN'T have full hyperdrive, to be in the mod.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Corey on September 04, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
Quote
The Ship is in the Most of Big Mods ( Strategic Improvment, Alliance, AOTR, SAU 3.3 ) but no info about it or Pics from the ship in the SW Sites?

That model is a fanon design made by EvilleJedi for his Warlords mod, 100% his own design. It's in those other mods because they just use Evillejedi's models. This isn't uncommon, it's the exact same situation as the "Corellian" ships in those same mods.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 04, 2016, 02:34:06 PM
Will Halmere be replacing Jerec if he dies or be available in certain GCs or eras?
I know the era system is changing but I was wondering about specific GC timelines.
Looks like I have some more VOs to do! Dibs on Halmere and Ib Dikeet!

(As a side note when i saw the title "We could be heroes" is it odd the tune to 'we could be lovers popped into my head?)
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Phunnyphil on September 05, 2016, 11:50:09 PM
(As a side note when i saw the title "We could be heroes" is it odd the tune to 'we could be lovers popped into my head?)

We could be heroes. Just for one Era.
We could be lovers. Forever and Ever.
-Ardus Kaine at Pentastar Talks

Seriously though, love these new additions. Can't wait to try them out.

Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 06, 2016, 05:05:44 PM
Indeed, and i bet that is how the PA talks went
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on September 08, 2016, 10:16:47 PM
So will these heroes allow for new types of ships to be built?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Corey on September 08, 2016, 11:03:50 PM
None of them were associated with any specific type of unit.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on September 09, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
I notice one hero has a interdictor SD does that mean pentastar is  getting Interdictor star Destroyer.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: ErichZann on September 10, 2016, 01:38:49 AM
The model created by EvilleJedi is actually a (Legends) Cannon design. It may or may not be a Praetor I. The only really concrete information is the it is in excess of 3,200 meters, and it is known under the generic name of a TaggeCo Battlecruiser.

Here is the wookiepedia entry: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser)

Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on September 10, 2016, 09:31:19 PM
The model created by EvilleJedi is actually a (Legends) Cannon design. It may or may not be a Praetor I. The only really concrete information is the it is in excess of 3,200 meters, and it is known under the generic name of a TaggeCo Battlecruiser.

Here is the wookiepedia entry: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser)
thanks for the info bro
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: ront on September 13, 2016, 03:48:08 AM
Hi, question, how could Desann, Tavion, Galak, jedi outcast characters etc. play into this mod as heroes?

Would love to see them implemented, thanks!
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on September 14, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
Hi, question, how could Desann, Tavion, Galak, jedi outcast characters etc. play into this mod as heroes?

Would love to see them implemented, thanks!

I am not staff but the thing with heroes is that if they are in the IR or NR   they will probability not be add. plus some characters are very obscure
though there not bad ideas just don't expect them. sorry :(
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Avarice1987 on September 14, 2016, 10:21:43 PM
What is the Difference between the Enforcer Cruiser and the Vindicator Cruiser? Both Ships have no Gravity Bolls on their hull. But is one of them Stronger than the other? Can the PA Build both Typs?

Both Ships are heavy Cruisers?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on September 14, 2016, 10:41:15 PM
What is the Difference between the Enforcer Cruiser and the Vindicator Cruiser? Both Ships have no Gravity Bolls on their hull. But is one of them Stronger than the other? Can the PA Build both Typs?

Both Ships are heavy Cruisers?

Enforcer has no hangar, but is armed with anti-fighter weapons. Vindicator has a hangar, but only has capital-grade weapons. Between the two, the Enforcer is more well-rounded, as a couple TIE squads isn't going to clear fighters nearly as well as Laser Cannons.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on September 15, 2016, 01:27:26 AM
Enforcer has no hangar, but is armed with anti-fighter weapons. Vindicator has a hangar, but only has capital-grade weapons. Between the two, the Enforcer is more well-rounded, as a couple TIE squads isn't going to clear fighters nearly as well as Laser Cannons.
Not to mention that it's a little bit more durable than vindicator if you ask me.
and yes, the alignment can build both although in just skirmish I think.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on September 15, 2016, 01:43:38 AM
Not to mention that it's a little bit more durable than vindicator if you ask me.
and yes, the alignment can build both although in just skirmish I think.

Unless it's been removed for 2.2 they can build both in GCs as well.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: derp on September 21, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
I love the splitting of Jerec and his SSD! This will make Pentastar much better to play.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 22, 2016, 12:57:43 AM
I love the splitting of Jerec and his SSD! This will make Pentastar much better to play.

It also eliminates the threat of losing Jerec in space with autoresolve
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on September 22, 2016, 01:34:33 AM
It also eliminates the threat of losing Jerec in space with autoresolve
In fact, it doesn't. It just makes it obvious that in space his autoresolve will suck. like all ground units
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: derp on September 22, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
In fact, it doesn't. It just makes it obvious that in space his autoresolve will suck. like all ground units
Lord Xizer was referring to the game counting Jerec as a ground hero during space auto resolve so this would make him lose to anything in space auto-battles.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Jorritkarwehr on September 22, 2016, 06:25:37 PM
Dave was referring to the fact that Jerec has always been a ground hero, and now will be exclusively. It's Sysco that will presumably have a reasonable space autoresolve. Jerec will continue to be terrible at it.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: derp on September 23, 2016, 12:38:54 AM
Dave was referring to the fact that Jerec has always been a ground hero, and now will be exclusively. It's Sysco that will presumably have a reasonable space autoresolve. Jerec will continue to be terrible at it.
Are you sure he wasn't talking  about baseball?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on September 23, 2016, 01:51:59 AM
I don't know a thing about baseball, except that there is a guy with a bat and some in gloves and the gloved ones are trying to catch the ball...
I am not american. We don't know much about baseball here.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Mat8876 on September 23, 2016, 06:35:58 AM
It's the same with football, football here is what you call soccer.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on September 23, 2016, 04:25:32 PM
Exactly
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: derp on September 23, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
I don't know a thing about baseball, except that there is a guy with a bat and some in gloves and the gloved ones are trying to catch the ball...
I am not american. We don't know much about baseball here.
The bases are loaded and there's two outs.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 25, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much the PA lost after Jerec died?
They went from the darksider second only to vader and sidious to a guy who was beaten by an unarmed padawan for their zenethial Inquestor...
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on September 25, 2016, 03:15:56 PM
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much the PA lost after Jerec died?
They went from the darksider second only to vader and sidious to a guy who was beaten by an unarmed padawan for their zenethial Inquestor...

While true, IMO to say the PA actually lost anything is a bit of a misnomer as it implies that they actually "had" him at one point. Jerec really didn't care about the Alignment, nor was he anything more than nominally loyal, and would have turned on them as soon as he got his power from the Valley.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 25, 2016, 08:24:30 PM
While true, IMO to say the PA actually lost anything is a bit of a misnomer as it implies that they actually "had" him at one point. Jerec really didn't care about the Alignment, nor was he anything more than nominally loyal, and would have turned on them as soon as he got his power from the Valley.

Well yes and no. He did serve with them as the chief Inquestor(granted to serve his own ends) and was extremely good at interrogating people being able to pull information from them with ease. He also did bring in a lot of Dark jedi, business partners and prestige from his status to the Alignment.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on September 26, 2016, 02:48:14 PM
Well yes and no. He did serve with them as the chief Inquestor(granted to serve his own ends) and was extremely good at interrogating people being able to pull information from them with ease. He also did bring in a lot of Dark jedi, business partners and prestige from his status to the Alignment.

From my assessment of Jerec's character, though, after he achieved his power he would most likely accomplish what Palpatine had attempted to create: a true Dark Empire. I mean at any point in time there were more than likely InQuestors in all the major systems of the Alignment. It would not have been a challenge to perform a coup and seize control of the Alignment.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 26, 2016, 07:34:40 PM
From my assessment of Jerec's character, though, after he achieved his power he would most likely accomplish what Palpatine had attempted to create: a true Dark Empire. I mean at any point in time there were more than likely InQuestors in all the major systems of the Alignment. It would not have been a challenge to perform a coup and seize control of the Alignment.

While you are spot on in Jerec's treachery penchant, you err in comparing him to Palpatine's Dark Empire. Jerec planned to rule as a literal God with the Valley's power, there would have been no need for the legions of paltry dark siders Palpatine enhanced with his power. He wouldn't need military dominance either as the Valley would essentially be an ublockable weapon he could extend galaxy wide as the Force is everywhere and with a few displays the remnants of the Empire would likely have rallied to him.

I think he would have behaved more like a deity than an Emperor in that his true desire was knowledge and the power that came with it. He likely would have attempted to become like the Celestials.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: StarBornMichaelh165 on September 26, 2016, 10:19:31 PM
Ok why did that one hero have a Preator 2 for and who is he anyway.

And why am I a Stormtrooper and how did I get it?.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on September 27, 2016, 01:52:16 PM
And why am I a Stormtrooper and how did I get it?.

Ranking system for amount of posts.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revan0123 on October 01, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
While you are spot on in Jerec's treachery penchant, you err in comparing him to Palpatine's Dark Empire. Jerec planned to rule as a literal God with the Valley's power, there would have been no need for the legions of paltry dark siders Palpatine enhanced with his power. He wouldn't need military dominance either as the Valley would essentially be an ublockable weapon he could extend galaxy wide as the Force is everywhere and with a few displays the remnants of the Empire would likely have rallied to him.

I think he would have behaved more like a deity than an Emperor in that his true desire was knowledge and the power that came with it. He likely would have attempted to become like the Celestials.
Damn, let's see Palpatine try to top that :P
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: StarBornMichaelh165 on October 01, 2016, 11:23:52 AM
I notice one hero has a interdictor SD does that mean pentastar is  getting Interdictor star Destroyer.
oh yes i like to see it and them be able to build it for the Pentastar Alignment too.

Ranking system for amount of posts.
I can see it now becuese i'm an admiral now

The model created by EvilleJedi is actually a (Legends) Cannon design. It may or may not be a Praetor I. The only really concrete information is the it is in excess of 3,200 meters, and it is known under the generic name of a TaggeCo Battlecruiser.

Here is the wookiepedia entry: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tagge_battlecruiser)
IT dose look like a Praetor 1 not a 2 at all so did this mean we can build Praetor 1 now too.

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Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on October 01, 2016, 12:12:27 PM
IT dose look like a Praetor 1 not a 2 at all so did this mean we can build Praetor 1 now too.
The only problem is that it's not a Praetor. Doesn't matter who uses it for what or what it looks like if the two aren't the same. It's like saying that the ISD I and ISD II are the same because they look the same, while they were two very different ships if we only look at the armament and components. It just happened that the ISD I's frame was the one holding these components
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on October 01, 2016, 03:54:51 PM
The only problem is that it's not a Praetor. Doesn't matter who uses it for what or what it looks like if the two aren't the same. It's like saying that the ISD I and ISD II are the same because they look the same, while they were two very different ships if we only look at the armament and components. It just happened that the ISD I's frame was the one holding these components
Is it me or does PA seem like a clone wars/rise of the empire version of the empire?
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on October 02, 2016, 12:27:21 AM
Is it me or does PA seem like a clone wars/rise of the empire version of the empire?
And now imagine that almost every week there is at least 1 post telling us that also put in this or that clone wars ship.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on October 02, 2016, 12:29:49 PM
And now imagine that almost every week there is at least 1 post telling us that also put in this or that clone wars ship.

Mmhmm. Them Clone Wars fanboys are really pushy.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on October 02, 2016, 02:04:57 PM
Mmhmm. Them Clone Wars fanboys are really pushy.

Some Clone wars episodes are actually pretty good Like the umbara campaign, The Force Episodes, and the bounty hunter ones (GOD I LOVE THE HEIST EPISODES)
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Lord Xizer on October 02, 2016, 02:47:14 PM
Some Clone wars episodes are actually pretty good Like the umbara campaign, The Force Episodes, and the bounty hunter ones (GOD I LOVE THE HEIST EPISODES)

It had it's moments to be sure- Good and Bad
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on October 02, 2016, 02:56:59 PM
It had it's moments to be sure- Good and Bad
unlike rebels where the series where it took two seasons to actually take off and catch peoples attention
Clone wars by the end of season 1 most were pretty hooked
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: kucsidave on October 02, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
Some Clone wars episodes are actually pretty good Like the umbara campaign, The Force Episodes, and the bounty hunter ones (GOD I LOVE THE HEIST EPISODES)
It had it's moments to be sure- Good and Bad
Have to agree with both, but that is no reason to put in every single ship in that show into the mod. 20 years is 20 years people and in that time the whole galaxy changed.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Revanchist on October 02, 2016, 03:25:42 PM
It had it's moments to be sure- Good and Bad

I would have said Not Quite as Bad and Worse.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Slornie on October 02, 2016, 04:07:56 PM
unlike rebels where the series where it took two seasons to actually take off and catch peoples attention
Clone wars by the end of season 1 most were pretty hooked
At least the start of Rebels was better than that godawful Hutt baby thing Clone Wars had! And I got two seasons into CW without getting hooked (I've not bothered watching the rest yet) whereas so far Rebels has maintained my interest throughout.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on October 02, 2016, 04:22:18 PM
At least the start of Rebels was better than that godawful Hutt baby thing Clone Wars had! And I got two seasons into CW without getting hooked (I've not bothered watching the rest yet) whereas so far Rebels has maintained my interest throughout.
but see that was the movie not the first episode.
The first episode was the Yoda and the three clones getting ambush. My favorite episode is obiwan under cover in the bounty hunter thing with the box to choose the best bounty hunters for count dooku's plan.
BTW Could Cad Bane be a Potential recruit able bounty hunter from duro for a Warlord group?
He id imply not to be dead and also worked with the empire constantly.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Corey on October 02, 2016, 05:25:23 PM
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BTW Could Cad Bane be a Potential recruit able bounty hunter from duro for a Warlord group?
He id imply not to be dead and also worked with the empire constantly.

Why would we use Cad Bane? Even if he's never been confirmed dead or alive by this time, he'd be pretty old, and has never been relevant to anything since the early Empire. The last mention of him is that he was still active and, yes, a common contractor for the Empire at that point. That point was 19 BBY. The mod starts in 4 ABY. There are plenty of people who are actually relevant to and active within the time period or factions we're using. At the very least people who weren't probably dead or retired by then.


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Is it me or does PA seem like a clone wars/rise of the empire version of the empire?

In canon, its navy would likely have been *slightly* higher in proportional use of holdover CW hardware (and that's what people need to realise about this stuff; with few exceptions holdovers, not produced anymore and almost never a common sight, let alone the primary forces) because of where it was located than the Ruling Council had. The mod significantly over-represents that because we wanted to at least have the different factions play a little differently, we knew they were popular so we were fine with throwing CW fans a bone, and for the most part we already had the assets. However, a lot of people have taken "there were some CW holdovers active in some places so lets play off that a bit" into "they have some CW stuff so they should get everything from all sides of the Clone Wars that ever existed" which makes no sense. The Pentastar Alignment was not some anachronistic Clone Wars re-enactment society. There was a time when Clone Wars tech was common, produced as main ships of the line, and relatively powerful. That period was called the Clone Wars. This is not a Clone Wars mod, and shouldn't be treated as an opportunity for Clone Wars + SSDs. We basically gave a mouse of cookie, which then asked for the entire box and a carton of milk even though all the cows had gone extinct 25 years ago.
Title: Re: We Could Be Heroes - The Pentastar Alignment
Post by: Illidan Stormrage on October 02, 2016, 05:39:42 PM
Why would we use Cad Bane? Even if he's never been confirmed dead or alive by this time, he'd be pretty old, and has never been relevant to anything since the early Empire. The last mention of him is that he was still active and, yes, a common contractor for the Empire at that point. That point was 19 BBY. The mod starts in 4 ABY. There are plenty of people who are actually relevant to and active within the time period or factions we're using. At the very least people who weren't probably dead or retired by then.
Okay I just wonder what bounty hunters work
I do believe Kanos(The formal royal guard) would be a bounty hunter because he masked as one in order to escape the ruling council.