Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Kratas on September 19, 2007, 02:44:56 PM
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how do you think this will happen at the moment erosion is beating away at the coasts
illegal immigrants are overtaking the cities(thank god i live in the countryside)
and drugs are a problem too but not much
also obesity but that is staying level and decreasing in some areas
so wadaya think
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Id say erosion isnt a big issue, it may annoy coastal towns but wont kill britain
Illegal immigration wont ever kill off a country, but could hurt the economy bad if they let it get bad
Id say England falls when it gets in antoher war with France
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FRANCE going to WAR! Hehehe! Never heard of such a thing! Even if they tried to fight it would be a whoopin'.
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If France is going to fight against GB they will lose. but if they ask help from Germany then they could win. I say a natural disaster will come and destroy GB.
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Coastal erosion wont destroy Britain, but sea level rises could flood vast areas of the South (which is also most densely populated).
War with France or other European countries is highly unlikely, and even if that did occur.. Britain managed to defeat Hitler's war machine, im sure we could weather another military storm, especially since they would be most reluctant to use nuclear weapons (they are right next door after all).
Illegal immigrants are more likely to benefit Britain than destroy it.. The majority come here for a better life, and are hardworking, which improves the economy. The only area of conflict would be cultural and religious differences, which can be overcome in a modern society
Drug usage is a big problem, as is the gang culture in the big cities, but they are too minor to bring about the destruction of Britain.
One situation which could cause the fall of Britain is the independence of Scotland. Splitting like this would weaken the isles hugely.
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Maybe Mel Gibson could unite the Scottish people and raid English cities?
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Illegal immigrants are more likely to benefit Britain than destroy it.. The majority come here for a better life, and are hardworking, which improves the economy.
Hardworking immigrant? that's a wonder I would like to see. immigrants that come in Finland are social bums. And now there are some whackjob idiots how want to start a muslim party on Finland and and ban alcohol. so what good have they brought.
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Most immigrants that come to the US are hard working
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why do we get those who don't work. it ain't fair goddamit!
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the thing nobody would go to war with the UK because the americans would be on the battlefront before a shot would be fired because teh uk and us are strong allies.And both countries have access to nukes and the SAS are one hell of a commando team so theyd be a problem for the military.I also think Cuba would come to britain's aid as they are good allies australia and nz would probably help too
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I doubt Cuba would, i dont think they have much of an ability to give much help
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they could give us funds or send us food if other places couldnt get it in
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Cuba? Cuba cant hardly give their own people food
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oh
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And while we're talking about aid and allies, dont forget Canada (although Arbiter would probably disagree :P ).
It is unlikely that in the modern age, Britain could fall from a military invasion..
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I doubt in the modern age any truly industrialized country could get taken without big time help from the UN, unless it turns into a nuke fest
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Id rather have no help at all.
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Well every country can be defeated if there is enough countries to try. let's say all of Europe vs GB. I don't think GB would be able to defend itself agaisnt that force. but that scenario is VERY unlikely.
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whats more likely is that GB/EU/Russia will go to war with America. it'll start as them telling America to get the bases out of our countries, then relations will go extremely south, and eventually war will be declared...dunno whether GB or America would fall so Ive put it in both...
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There are no winners in nuclear war. only losers.
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Currently, it sounds as if they'll drown.
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Its an occupational hazard living on an island with a wet climate.. :P
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how is it
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You could one day just fall under water
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thats the good thing about living in the middle
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i live in the north-east...but unfortunatly im pretty much sealevel so im gonna b screwed when global warming really kicks in...
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i live on a hill in a strong house in the country so im alright
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If "Magna Britannia" were to ever fall, it would be an internal issue. Such as, ignoring the will of the Welsh and Scottish people. Or their own...
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Quite possible, i think if Scotland gets the independence some people in their parliament want, it could be the beginning of the end of Great Britain..
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Quite right, Britain needs to listen to the people throughout her island.
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i thibnk the only way i see britan falkling is if it tried to make war with russia or the u.s.
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probably U.S...i like russia too much to let my country go to war with them...:P
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not apparent due to the things u say to cane on ueaw if ur the same s-t-n which i belive u are
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yup...same s-t-n...and ive never said anything against russia, as was (so i believe) settled in the pms...but if you really want to, you can always try and beat me in pm's again...i enjoy a laugh :P
but back on topic, if the EU (including britain) and russia went to war with america, would that bring about the fall of GB or US? i vote U.S. wud lose.
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Both would lose, everyone would get nuked
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I agree with Scarecrow63. both sides would lose. question is: which side loses the least.
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Britain would never side with the EU, especially against the US. Maybe an Irish invasion would bring them on their knees though ;)... LOL
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Well, since both sides would be entirely annihilated, the EU would lose more simply because Europe has more to lose
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or does it? I personally think that usa has more to lose. I mean their status at this moment is that almost every country bows to them but after nuclear war against europe, would anyone bow to them anymore? Who knows.
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No one would bow to anyoner cause theyd all be dead
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except in africa and asia.
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Nah, asia would be dead too probably, China and India would join in im sure
And then the rest of the world would suck for a while from the fall-out
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u ask me nukes should all be disasemled Or detanted And Real warfare can recomence
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Nah, if anything nukes do the world more good than harm, because of them there haven't been any major conflicts since ww2
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All though I do agree, the statement "so far" must be used.
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yep. it would be stupid to attack to other developed country that has nukes.
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But without Nukes wars Would be fair And less Civilains would Die And plus Bullets cahnge Govern ments far Shure Than Votes
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unfortunatly, for there to be no nukes EVERY piece of nuke, all the research and anyone smart enough to come up with another nuke would have to be chucked in a 2000 degree C furnace and melted into steel/research/people ingots to be dropped to the bottom of the mid atlantic ridge...
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But without Nukes wars Would be fair And less Civilains would Die And plus Bullets cahnge Govern ments far Shure Than Votes
Thats ridiculous, without nukes wars would happen a hell of alot more often and more civilians would die, so far since the nuke came about there haven't been any major civilian deaths since the bombing of Japan
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dang it im trying to Say Nukes or And other super weapons make warfare less fun and Prevent war Ineed A Good War damn It I nedd A worthy Oppent
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You need a worthy opponent? someones been playing too many videogames
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No im saying I nedd a Good War Ww3 for i care just A chance to test Some Actual Military Against Another Well armed Contry Such as RUssia Vs france OR Usa Vs britan Germany NAd Britan Vs Us and Russia I nedd somthing The world so Damn dull
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So since you're 'bored' you want millions of soldiers and civilians to die for your entertainment?
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M-t-I never ceases to amuse me.
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my point is Nothing is getting done in the world we need some wars to clear up some of this rediculos Bs thats going on all over the world like th N.k And The middle east
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Plenty of things are getting done, you just seem obsessed with the idea war is the only answer
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its the only answear wene you are dealing with terroists and mad men
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If you haven't noticed, theres already a war against terrorists
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Yes and wat about the mad men
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like who?
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like bush jk umm whats his name kim jong or what ever
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You are so confusing. Why dont you like Bush if you agree with war on terror. I know the answer: bcause you were told to.
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I think that Bush has overexaggerated the war on terrorism and the threat the terrorist pose.
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i dont like bush but i Like That some one is fighting teroor just not in the right place
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If Britain went to war with the USA, Britain would win cos we're awesome, and then we'd revoke the USA's independence :P
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And then we'd just have to kick your butts in another revolutionary war
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or another war of 1812
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Yeah, we've got the better track record
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Usa 2 britan zip
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But would the USA be around in the first place if it wasnt for Britain..
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Yes
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Sure, the Spanish and French would have colonized what the British didnt and then we'd of had to of just beat them instead of the British
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Do you think you would have been better or worse off having being colonised more by the Spanish or French than the British?
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Is that a question saying which would be better: French or Spanish
or is it asking British vs France/Spain
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eaither way wed win Wed ally With Briatan Or wed ally With Another Country
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If it was against the French the British probably would have backed for probably the same reason France did
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i dont like bush but i Like That some one is fighting teroor just not in the right place
But why dont you like Bush?
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he's a commie. get him!
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try me (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/GPA4METOO/gpa3.jpg)
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You still havent answered my question.
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because he is an idiot and a republican
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How is he an idiot?
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well he has done some mistakes but I don't know a politician who hasn't.
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I'm actually on side of Mandalore T.I. here,
i don't like bush
i don't like bush, and i don't know anyone that does. you can make mistakes, and you cant make a disaster without being disliked.
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everything depends from the point of view.
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and how idotic he was during hurricane katrina
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What did he do in Katrina?
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I say Bush is no worse than any other politician, save the Governator
But lets get back to topic
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wait wats wrong with swartenagger ??? he's like the best govener calis had are u on columbian bam bam
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I'm saying the Governator owns
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could it be that there is an Irish invasion in near future for GB? Or Scottish revolution for independence?
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I dont think the Irish would want to invade.. As for the Scots, i dont know whether they want independence or not..
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some scots are idiots they want the benefits of being in GB but independance so basically they want us to give them money for no reason
e.g. like us paying for frances schools for no reason although we dont thank god
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well that's the same thing that Eu does. We, wealthy countries have to pay poorer countries and we don't get anything in return.
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Thats gotta suck
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yep. I don't know wh ywe wont resign from EU. What good does it do to us to stay there. they're just sending order for what to do.
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lol, too bad you're not like France and just tell everyone else what to do
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unfortunetantly were not as big as they are.
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Maybe you should start up your own union
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with whom? countries that are bored to be overrun by bigger ones. CTABTBOBBO
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what, is that a real organization?
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Not that I know.
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nice idea though
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The European Union isnt all bad.. It just has an excess of red tape :P
Although to put another slant on it, here's a comedy clip concerning Europe and British Foreign Policy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZUOkGxGUVs
And another about Europe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5GkJcFglE
And one about Britain's Defence Policy (since this thread is actually meant to be about the downfall of Great Britain): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90f9Qm60tU8
You might gather that i like the program the clips are from.. :P
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i think uk should break off
maybe poland and england could unite in the gbatocp great britain and that other country
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Maybe everyone in the EU votes to tkae over Britain and use it for landfill :laugh:
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it isnt one all ready
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not yet, but im going to bet thats what its downfall will be
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Lol, our waste issues are no worse than the rest of world's..
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im not saying Britains are bad, im just saying the rest of Europe needs somewhere to put it, and they vote Britain, after all its cut off from the rest of Europe
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I vote France, its a waste of space.
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haah funny
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but then how would britain fall?
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I don't know. but they don't even have running water. or do you?
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Water doesnt have any legs so it cant run :-\ :P
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haha very funny
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in france public toilets dont even have toilet seats and they eat bugs so they may as well already be a landfill
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in france public toilets dont even have toilet seats and they eat bugs so they may as well already be a landfill
Whereas English public toilets are mostly out of order, full of druggies, and have OAPs left locked inside overnight.. :P
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i wouldnt know i dont go in public toilets
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in public toilet in america their clean and full of peapole having sex
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oh my god in uk many toilets have condom machines in
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and that will be your downfall. too much safe-sex and no more babies born.
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just you try and believe that meyer
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I can't believe it. but do you think that Hitler thought he would lose the war?
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no does anyone think theyre gonna lose the war at the start no and if they do its not likely theyll surrender if theyre serious about pride
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Well it everyone thought that Finland had no change to stop soviet invsion 1939. but we did stop it.
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Thats different, Finland was defending, not starting it, you would have to be literally crazy to start a war you thought you would lose
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How about in the following situation:
If you dont attack, your country faces complete economic and social collapse. But if you do attack the enemy, you face complete destruction of your armed forces and partial destruction of your economy and society.
Which would you do?
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I wouldn't just go start a war because my country sucks
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id be making ne some freind and fixing my country
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id be making ne some freind and fixing my country
Thats probably the best thing you've ever typed
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I too would look new friends and help from somewhere, not going to war. Or amybe we could attacke Sweden. that would be war which we would win easily.
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Britain wont fall, we started out as barbarians less superior to the power Rome and now we had a huge empire. that shows how good we brits are. :P
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The Roman Empire collapsed, if it hadnt they wouldnt have had to leave Britain, in which case history would have turned out differently.
As for the British Empire.. The operative word is "had" - you might have noticed it isnt there anymore..
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The Roman Empire collapsed, if it hadnt they wouldnt have had to leave Britain, in which case history would have turned out differently.
As for the British Empire.. The operative word is "had" - you might have noticed it isnt there anymore..
I know thats what i said "had" look again XD, but you have to admit we have done pretty well for just starting out as barbarians >_>
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Rome started as barbarians. as did mongols who greated the largest inland empire in history. all civilizations have started as barbarians so your achievmend is not so special as you claim.
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And as pointed out by Slornie, you lost the empire, now its a downhill slope
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and right now usa is on the hight of it's power. one day they will start their downfall. it can take 10 years or 1000 years. but one day it will begin.
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If the US falls, so will everyone else
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If the US falls, so will everyone else
How will everyone fall?, do you seriously think that people depend on the U.S.A so much that we cant depend on our selves?, post your evidence to prove your point
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No, but why would any major coun try fall unless everyone else did?
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No, but why would any major country fall unless everyone else did?
Thats not really evidence thats more of an opinion,and from your opinion and example would be if England fell everyone else would,and countries can adapt so if we did lose America everyone will adapt from the loss.
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No, but why would any major coun try fall unless everyone else did?
Why did Rome fell and no other major country? Why did British Empire fell and not any other? Are you saying that when usa falls every other major country falls too? Why? What would cause that to happen?
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Rome doesn't count, that was way too long ago, modern day civilization is way too different
And the British empire fell, not Britain, theres a difference
Im just thinkin that in todays world major countries are very stable and not going anywhere fast, the interdependence of todays countries would make it so that if something severe enough eas going on that one was falling, everyone else probably would too
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I suppose to some extent there is interdependence.. Just look at the impact the current US economic turmoil is having on the global economy.. Or matters with oil production..
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but still it's foolish to claim that if usa falls, every other major country falls also. but if it would happen, which I doubt, Finland ain't a country to be considered as a "major" so doesn't bother me if all major ones fall. more power to us. :laugh: :laugh:
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Im sure all modern industrialized countries wouldn't be so well off, including Finland
And what US economic turmoil?
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the loans crisis...the us is in x trillion dollars debt, and that equats to x million per person to pay, so they are recalling all the loans from abroad. thats what caused the Northern Rock crisis.
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The us is no worse in debt than anyone else, sure theres alot but when comparing to gdp its not that bad
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well actually it's quite bad.
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Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan
Theres is worse than ours
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not really. your debt is on guinness world's record book.
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when just looking at the pure numbers maybe, but also consider how many people there are in the US and how much money they have
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i dont think the US actually helps the rest of the world at all
europe some countries should be chucked out i think but alot of countries UK for example provide money and aid to other countries
asia well we gotta get toys somewhere
america a few computers that other countries could come up with
russia well i cant defend them at all
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well the economy of usa is based on taking loans. So records may tell you something that ain't true. plus you have to remember that usa has few super rich people, like movie stars for example. most of the peole are not so rich as your GDP indicates.
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so the only thing the UK does is give money to people? well so does everyone else, and the UK is in debt too, so there giving money they dont technically have
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well that's stupid. I think country shouldn't give money to other countries unitl they have everything in their own land. Why should we suppport some african coutnry when we have problems in our own?
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Because civilization cant be perfect, so we can try to help where we can
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and what help do we receive back? nothing but refugees who we don't want. And it ain't our fault they have fucked up their things.
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Sure it is, we buy their gold and diamonds and then we give them guns
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maybe you do but we won't. usa should deal this problem that they have caused. just like the refugee problem at iraq. let's send them all to usa as it was usa that ruined their country. but we are of from topic unless they are also sent to gb and start a revolution in there.
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Lol, weve been off topic for about three pages.. Im trying to decide if i can be bothered to try and split it..
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maybe you do but we won't. usa should deal this problem that they have caused.
I didn't say the US gave them the guns, i was referring to western nations more of a whole considering we all give aid
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and what help do we receive back? nothing but refugees who we don't want. And it ain't our fault they have fucked up their things.
they didn't fuck up themselves, that was mostly the British and co.
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very good point
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We could go on for months blaming people. all we have to do is fix it.
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and what help do we receive back? nothing but refugees who we don't want. And it ain't our fault they have fucked up their things.
they didn't fuck up themselves, that was mostly the British and co.
Good for me as I ain't british.
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Good for you you're Finnish, you guys didn't do anything
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yep. we didn't slave anybody. but I don't know why black people always want some payment for slavement? their slavement wasn't even bad.
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Oh it was bad but I tend to agree with you, those groups wanting the government to pay them for their ancestors being slaves, kinda ridiculous
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yeah. black people ain't even the most slaved ones. so why should they get money while others don't?
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they shouldn't, noone should
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but some are. and a thing with that slavery is that it was black people slaving black people who were then bought by white man.
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the bigges problem is david cameron and his fake bulls*** policies which he will never fulfill and how people are actualy liking this false idol
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who the vittu is David Cameron?
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leader of english conservative party...he thinks he fits in with the average person, but hes really a posh snob like rest of the conservatives.
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most politicians are only concenrned about their own salary.
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that goes double so for him...if he ever becomes PM then britain will fall into depression, with mass unemployment.
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that goes double so for him...if he ever becomes PM then britain will fall into depression, with mass unemployment.
Whereas with Gordon Brown the citizens will be taxed into starvation through stealth taxes that noone notices until its too late :-\ :P
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oh great youre a tory
cameron is false hope
not saying i aagree with all of brown but its better than cameron
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Heh, im not a Tory.. I dislike Dave "the Chameleon" Cameron more than i disliked Tony Blair (Gordon Brown isnt actually that bad, he's just very sneaky).
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yeah
darling (the new chancellor) stole tory policies (what policies? heh heh)
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Which were originally Lib Dem policies if you remember :-\
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We should just get rid of all politicians(save the Governator of course, come on) and just start over with the batch of em
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God save the queen
Sorry i could not resit yes let the govanator rule
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I think there should be politicians because nobody else is interested in trying to solve country matters daily. but they shouldn't have such a outrageous salary and fever rights and powers. And all MAJOR decicions should be decided by people by voting.
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if you manage to get that set up, let me know how it goes :P
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that's the problem of that. It can't work on practise. it looks nice on paper though.
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So does world peace
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well the world is now on relative peace. there are no large scale wars.
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But theres plenty of small ones, not to mention the people that aren't quite at that point, but pretty close
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well if you demand absolute peace you can forget it. that ain't happening. unless we meet some unknown alien race. maybe then will the humanity unite. but what are the odds for that?
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cameron false hope!!! >:(
gordon browns an idiot and labour has done the brits no good
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and you think Cameron WILL?
idiot
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All the main parties are about as bad as each other :P We should boycott them and elect someone else entirely :D
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give all power back to the royal family.
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...or me :P im probably off into a political career, lol. world would never be the same... ;D VOTE S-T-N ;D
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Oh god no! Quick, we need to deport him ASAP :P
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Why not just kill him? easier that deportation. and it's a tradition that has been forgotten.
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No, think of all the extra expense.. I'd have to forge some major treasonous activity for him to have done for that.. Much easier to just get him deported :P
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just accuse him of insulting the queen and treasonous acts.
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id rather be left wing than right wing
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I dont want to be on the wing.. I want to be in the cockpit or at the helm ;)
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:o commie :o
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Huh?
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id rather be left wing than right wing
left wing is for commies.
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i agree with what meyer said the royalty should rule then we would get our former glory back
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yep. after they lost their power to parliament you begun your downfall.
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left wing is for commies.
Ahh, i thought you were replying to me :P
i agree with what meyer said the royalty should rule then we would get our former glory back
So you want to send the Queen at the head of our armed forces to battle the "enemy" the good old fashioned way?
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no. that job is for men of the royal family.
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ascrew the monarchy
they just drain taxes out of us
obsolete aristocracy
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ascrew the monarchy
they just drain taxes out of us
obsolete aristocracy
TREASON!!! :o OFF WITH HIS HEAD!! :P
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Vadereclipse you don't seem to like any political option. Would you prefer Anarchy?
And yes that is treason! Cut his head off!
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IM SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT OF TONY BLAIR
I DISAGREE WITH THE MONARCHY
AND ON OTHER CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES, IM PRO-ABORTION, pro-any whiney christian issue
sorry about caps
i was on capslock
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so you think communism would be best for great britain?
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one his not amused i have one thing to say OFF WITH HIS HEAD
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glad to some other to think that.
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im not communist
but WTF do the monarchy do other than the royal assent and make headline scandals?
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maybe its because they've not had the chance to reign for a few 100 years
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in the good old days they ruled and some even ruled very well, like Lizzie I.
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aye they did
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The Monarch is the figurehead of "our" country (if you're British).. And is supposedly one of the most powerful heads of state in the world.
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If I understand it right the Monarchy is basically the public face for Britain
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And ruler of GB, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
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off with his head vaders eclipes that is I agree with meyer and scarecrow
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I wonder what Finland would be if we had remained as a monarchy.
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they dont do anything other than parliamentary rituals which arent necessary
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I mean no offense, but is Finland necessary?
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what do you mean by that? Could you explain it to a person who, for reasons that this person doesn't understand, doesn't have english as his officail second language. (instead we have swedish, for reason nobody knows)
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I wonder what Finland would be if we had remained as a monarchy.
We'd all be Pompous Asses?
But in all seriousness, That's a good question.
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the monarchy does nothing
why is everyone so defensive?
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what do you mean defensive?
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supportive of the monarchy when they dont do anything
i meant the queen probably doesnt know the difference between work and free time there so similar!
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why doesn't she know the difference? she has official duties that keep her occupied part of her time. and then she has time with her family. And I don't care about if it's monarchy or republic. I don't think they have so much difference these days. except court scandals. ;D ;D
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i was being satirical
and she has no function other than the royal assent and the parliament speech (neither of which are necessart)
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it's tradition. and you should try to change your countrys government from if you aren't happy about it. Do somethin and don't just whine that everything is fucked up.
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im not revolutionary. i just dont see the point. revolutiomn just causes instability
and i dont asee the instability that it will cause to our country
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then try to get elected to the parliament and try getting some chances through in there.
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as i said i dont see the need for reform
they do nothing as it is
im just saying they are pointless
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so you're saying they are pointless and don't do anything. and you complain about that. but still you see no need for a change. so what are you trying to say. You just want to complain about thing?
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development of the conversation
the only annoying thing is taxes but it is unnecessary to complain about such a small thing
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and important. I thing taxes are good. they help the whole country. and without taxes there is no army, free health-care and public transportation etc.
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i know
but some of our taxes go to pamper the queen
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well the salary of an member of an Parliament is very high. I don't remember exact figures but much more than average salary. And all they have to do is to get their asses in the Parliament house once a year! and we have 200 of those. so they basically get paid for doing nothing.
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PM gets
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64000 i think
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and how many MPs do you got?
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a lot...lol. 644 in house of commons.
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that's a lot of money that is used to pay them
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i know....and (most) of the time, they dont do anything...but its because it is REALLY difficult when you are doing something...reading thousands of pages of a new law to make sure oyu have no objections
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i dont have a problem with m=paying MPs taxes (i dont yet im 16)
they do something
the royal family do one think
make scandals
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because of those outrageous salaries and the fact that MPs don't get anything done, I prefer dictatorship.
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dictatorship is pointless
people's interests arent accounted for
and it always leads to corruption
mugabe, etc
all corrupt
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it also leads to war
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who says that dictatorship leads corrupiton and war? It only happens when dictators are fools. A good leader can be dictator without corruption, war and massmurders.
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listening to you anyone would think you were a dictator
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I'm not, yet. but if one man or woman decides everything it means that something will be done. now there are, in Finland for example, 200 MPs who just debate and don't get anything done. because only thing they agree is that they should get a raise. And of course that one leader can have and should have assistants. but the ultimate decision would be his/hers.
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i agree nothing ever gets done apart from more and more roadworks
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Democracy is a good system, we all just have the wrong people leading it
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well said scarecrow
and meyer, the onkly good dictator (from a to his people view, not in reasons of hum,anity adnd characteristics) was genghis Khan, who was known to be a rapist and has a gene pool of over 10 million poeople
but he brought together all the tribes of mongolia
needless to say, that cant happn in modern times.
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yep. because every country is already united. at least the succesful ones. and there are many good dictators. ever heard of Augustus or Caesar? And Hitler was loved by almost everyone before september 1st 1939. And the term dictator itself is good.
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hmm...
hitler-fascist xenophobic genocide starter-BAD
mussolini-pretty much the same and corupt-BAD
Mugabe-corrupt-BAD
as for the ancient ones, they are not really verypossible these days to be loved
and hitler was loved by everyone before 1939? you need to study nazi germany
november 8, 1937-kristallnacht(night of the broken glass) assisted by the people of germany, riots took place and hundreds of jews were murdered, synagogues were burnt down, and businesses were ransacked
i can safely say not all germans loved hitler before 1939.
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I said almost. If you want everybody to love and like someone you have to wait a long time. of course there is always some who say that he is bad and bla bla bla. And many people were happy about Kristallnacht. And it was because of usa, gb and france that Hitler got to power so blame yourself. you could say gb almost brought it's own destruction. And FYI, Hitler wasn't the started of genocide. It was Himmler who organized and was in charge of it. And why didn't nobody say anything about that Kristallnacht when it happened? every other country accepted it.