Posted by: Pali
« on: August 16, 2015, 09:22:45 PM »Mind you, it might make a bit more sense to play era 5 and just kill off all your heroes.
Yeah, but then you don't get to play with superlasers.
Yeah, but then you don't get to play with superlasers.
Posted by: Mitthrawnuruodo
« on: August 16, 2015, 11:11:03 AM »Mind you, it might make a bit more sense to play era 5 and just kill off all your heroes.
Posted by: Pali
« on: August 15, 2015, 07:24:44 PM »And a simple concept to realise, play FTGU as the Remnant and imagine you're the Remnant of the Remnant on its absolute last legs.
Hah, that's exactly what I'm doing in my current campaign.
Posted by: Mitthrawnuruodo
« on: August 15, 2015, 01:19:00 PM »At least it's not the Galactic Alliance when it was led by a former Solo turned Sith Lord
I know, it's far cooler
I'm torn over whether I Order 66 the Jedi again or pretend they're just going with it.Other RPs I've come up with use the Pentastar Alignment's Clone Wars era units to play as any of the following: a group of Republic forces who fled the rise of the Empire, a resurrected Trade Federation and Banking Clan, or combine both side's units to make an unholy union of the former and Separatist holdout allies-of-convenience.
And a simple concept to realise, play FTGU as the Remnant and imagine you're the Remnant of the Remnant on its absolute last legs.
Posted by: Revan0123
« on: July 21, 2015, 09:08:22 AM »Cause those planets, that the Galaxy Gun destroyed, were allied with the New Republic. It's simple propagan-sorry, truth 
Posted by: Pali
« on: July 20, 2015, 06:42:28 PM »Not all Star Dreadnoughts are run that way. He hacked into the Death Star Computer multiple times, but who's to say that the Imperials didn't let him do that? Keep in mind, Grand Moff Tarkin (or Vader, IDK) deliberately let the Millennium leave the Death Star so the Imperials could use them to find the Rebel Base on Yavin 4. He may have wanted R2-D2 to discover what he found.
R2 pulls off hacks long before the Imperials even know that the Falcon's crew is still present - he hacks into the detention records and tractor beam schematics almost instantly while the Imperials think the freighter is a decoy due to the missing escape pods and no sign of the crew. It's when they assault the detention center that the Imps first become aware that our heroes are present, and I suspect that it was then that Tarkin/Vader decided to try letting them escape and tracking them.
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I don't care. In my mind, any "hero" who kills that many people with one single action isn't a hero at all. I expect that from villains like Palpatine, but that's because he's the main antagonist of the Star Wars movies. Its different if it wasn't done all in one shot like eliminating an armada with an armada, or taking a near-equal amount of crew to do the job.
That's different because a lot of X-wing & Y-wing pilots, along with the population of Alderaan, all died as well. I think its okay as long as there was not too much of an imbalance of casualties concerning something like this in particular.
Um... the Galaxy Gun had already been used to destroy a few planets by the time R2 destroys it, as well as ships with hundreds of thousands of troops. Even by your logic (which I find fairly strange), it would seem justified.
P.S. If an oppressive, racist dictatorship willing to murder billions of innocents in acts of terrorism isn't worthy of rebelling against, I don't know what is.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: July 20, 2015, 04:59:41 PM »War is a dirty business, and I definitely agree that it's a stupid plot bunny, but it's efficient. Instead of risking dozens of ships and tens of thousands of lives, R2 was able to remove the threat with minimum casualties. I'd think it's actually pretty awesome if the Imps didn't keep getting taken down like that.
And therein lies the problem. It was cool the first time. After the 70th time in the SAME NOVEL...it's just become a stupid "I don't know any other way to make the good guys win and aren't a good enough writer to avoid these old, tired, stupid cliches"
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: July 20, 2015, 01:10:47 PM »those rebel scum should have never opose the empire, then nobody would have had to die. They blew up alderaan to threaten the rebels. No rebellion, no planet blowing. simple as that.
Posted by: jordanthejq12
« on: July 20, 2015, 12:39:56 PM »War is a dirty business, and I definitely agree that it's a stupid plot bunny, but it's efficient. Instead of risking dozens of ships and tens of thousands of lives, R2 was able to remove the threat with minimum casualties. I'd think it's actually pretty awesome if the Imps didn't keep getting taken down like that.
Posted by: KommissarReb
« on: July 20, 2015, 11:33:34 AM »Then you hate everyone in star wars. For instance, Luke became a mass murderer when he blew up the first death star(if we don't count the stormtroopers he shot down when he escaped with Leia). What do you think, a battle station as big as the death star must have heck of a maintenance group, whom are just simple engineers or stuff like that. If not that, we saw that the death star had heck of a prison complex. All the prisoners(so basically innocent civilians) died when luke shot that proton torpedo.
That's different because a lot of X-wing & Y-wing pilots, along with the population of Alderaan, all died as well. I think its okay as long as there was not too much of an imbalance of casualties concerning something like this in particular.
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: July 20, 2015, 11:14:08 AM »I don't care. In my mind, any "hero" who kills that many people with one single action isn't a hero at all. I expect that from villains like Palpatine, but that's because he's the main antagonist of the Star Wars movies. Its different if it wasn't done all in one shot like eliminating an armada with an armada, or taking a near-equal amount of crew to do the job.Then you hate everyone in star wars. For instance, Luke became a mass murderer when he blew up the first death star(if we don't count the stormtroopers he shot down when he escaped with Leia). What do you think, a battle station as big as the death star must have heck of a maintenance group, whom are just simple engineers or stuff like that. If not that, we saw that the death star had heck of a prison complex. All the prisoners(so basically innocent civilians) died when luke shot that proton torpedo.
Posted by: KommissarReb
« on: July 20, 2015, 08:34:53 AM »In fairness, in a sci-fi universe where ships have central computers that largely control the entire ship, the idea that another computer could hack into and override the control computer fits in pretty well. R2-D2, as well as certain other astromechs within the EU (Corran Horn's partner Whistler, for instance), is across the board painted as having enhanced abilities compared to most astromechs, as well as specifically having advanced slicing skills (he hacks into the Death Star computer without trouble multiple times in A New Hope alone).
Not all Star Dreadnoughts are run that way. He hacked into the Death Star Computer multiple times, but who's to say that the Imperials didn't let him do that? Keep in mind, Grand Moff Tarkin (or Vader, IDK) deliberately let the Millennium leave the Death Star so the Imperials could use them to find the Rebel Base on Yavin 4. He may have wanted R2-D2 to discover what he found.
Honestly, R2-D2 is at least an equal to any other Star Wars hero, and arguably the greatest of them. Counting the movies, EU and Clone Wars show, you can find a time where nearly every other Star Wars hero (not to mention a number of planets and billions of off-screen people) would have died at some point but for R2's actions.
I don't care. In my mind, any "hero" who kills that many people with one single action isn't a hero at all. I expect that from villains like Palpatine, but that's because he's the main antagonist of the Star Wars movies. Its different if it wasn't done all in one shot like eliminating an armada with an armada, or taking a near-equal amount of crew to do the job.
Posted by: Pali
« on: July 20, 2015, 04:36:03 AM »In fairness, in a sci-fi universe where ships have central computers that largely control the entire ship, the idea that another computer could hack into and override the control computer fits in pretty well. R2-D2, as well as certain other astromechs within the EU (Corran Horn's partner Whistler, for instance), is across the board painted as having enhanced abilities compared to most astromechs, as well as specifically having advanced slicing skills (he hacks into the Death Star computer without trouble multiple times in A New Hope alone).
Honestly, R2-D2 is at least an equal to any other Star Wars hero, and arguably the greatest of them. Counting the movies, EU and Clone Wars show, you can find a time where nearly every other Star Wars hero (not to mention a number of planets and billions of off-screen people) would have died at some point but for R2's actions.
Honestly, R2-D2 is at least an equal to any other Star Wars hero, and arguably the greatest of them. Counting the movies, EU and Clone Wars show, you can find a time where nearly every other Star Wars hero (not to mention a number of planets and billions of off-screen people) would have died at some point but for R2's actions.
Posted by: Revan0123
« on: July 19, 2015, 08:32:14 AM »Can't argue with that. And I thought the movies Waterworld and Battlefield Earth were bad...I still say Battlefield Earth is worse.
I bet a four-year old could write better than Tom & Jim.
Seriously? A combustable atmosphere that can destroy a whole planet?
Posted by: KommissarReb
« on: July 18, 2015, 07:51:59 PM »That's how the Eclipse II was destroyed in the novels. R2-D2 takes control over the entire ship and rams it into the Galaxy Gun, causing the Galaxy Gun to shoot Byss, thus destroying Byss and all the armadas there. Huge, stupid, plot bunnies that made the entire series go from a moderately well written (if incredibly lacking originality) story to absolute, utter shite not worthy of being used for toilet paper.
Can't argue with that. And I thought the movies Waterworld and Battlefield Earth were bad...
I bet a four-year old could write better than Tom & Jim.